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How many shots
« on: January 10, 2017, 12:59:34 PM »
Are you guys getting from your battery packs? I just upgraded my BlackBird to 2K
with mixed results. I am running IMR 14500's and I can get about a 320 round
burst then the gun shuts down. If I try another burst it will shoot at a much lower
Rpm. I see a lot of you using the 18650's. my goal is to dump a full mag.
Without having to stop or am I asking to much.

Any help is greatly appreciated

Mark

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 11:01:22 PM »
You shouldn't have any problem getting at least five, or six full mag dumps if you are using six of the right 14500's. Not all are created equally. I am assuming you are running Sergey's Board. The old ones would stop right around there until I asked him to correct it about two years ago. This doesn't explain the low RPM you describe after that though. At 24V you should keep your pulse at 4, or 5. Below is a link for the batteries I use with 4K. Any build I do doesn't leave without completion of a full mag dump test at 4K.

If you have not repeated this test it could be an alignment issue. That's why we install latch plates. If the valve is not aligned with the solenoid what can happen at high RPM is that the solenoid can strike the valve pressing the entire mag forward, and then hit the valve seat. This makes it effectively shoot half as fast. Look at your valve seat to see if the solenoid is striking on the inside of the ring.

The following are links to the batteries I use as well as an entire 4K build I did minus the actual work. Popcorn time! I hope this helps.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-EFEST-IMR-14500-Li-Mn-700maH-HIGH-DRAIN-Rechargeable-Battery-3-7V-BUTTON-TOP-/231241593777?hash=item35d712b3b1:g:iiYAAOxyNo9SsWeM

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVk46NfcWQU9iQOBZRjvwHrMkCJp2VVOo

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 09:33:43 PM »
Ok thanks I'm using the same batteries as you so I think your right about the latch.

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 02:58:18 AM »
It can lead to terrible things. The fact is if you don't have one you are not going to be shooting long. As the polymer wears down where the metal release contacts the the mag it progressively rides lower, and lower misaligning the valve body, and breech. As bb's enter the breech at this descending angle over a period of time they plow up metal from the bottom of the breech until no bb's can even make their way through. When you reach this point you will snap the breech threads off into the breech nut trying to remove the barrel because the breech has also mushroomed, and or spin the breech nut out of the polymer guide in the frame.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you don't want to make one I can hook you up. It's not an expensive part, but probably the most important.
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Re: How many shots
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 11:08:19 PM »
I made one today but need to test it. I had to grind the screw heads down to get it to slid in.
To be continued...

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 11:42:44 PM »
The plate needs to be very thin as you already found. This problem is actually worse in a Bumblebee frame. You have another option to grind a recess in the pin that holds the latch in place to allow for the screw heads to pass.
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Re: How many shots
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 04:02:28 PM »
Just a quick test on the workbench without the Mag. Connected it will only fire 256 times before
Shutting off pull trigger again and you get another 256 shots so that problem is in the board.

Another test with everything connected I get 256 @ 2K and then it drops to slow rpm again.
I think I have multiple problems going on. I have a new board coming from Sergey but that
Won't be here for two weeks or more. I'm going to put this on hold till then.

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 09:51:50 PM »
Back then I never tested with more than five cells, so if you are running six that could explain the drop off. Anyway the new boards run like a top.
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Re: How many shots
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2017, 02:22:52 PM »
Just now got my new 4K board installed and it works good but now
I have a new problem with my valve body. Years ago I drilled a hole
In the top of it and installed a magnet for bb centering and with
The stronger motor it just pounds that out very quickly. It worked
Fine with the factory motor. Maybe I can weld it shut or get a new
One. I think it will do 2K now if I can fix my screw up.

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 10:21:48 PM »
Send your gun to me. and pay a shitload to make it work.
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Re: How many shots
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2017, 12:56:13 PM »
I stand by all my mistakes and refuse to admit defeat. ;D

Exactly how much is a shitload?

I could make a video on how not to do it. :o

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2017, 10:40:15 PM »
Send me a PM. It's really not that bad. I can probably walk you through it.
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Re: How many shots
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2017, 07:31:59 PM »
Mission accomplished

Full mag dump at 2K!

Thanks for the help Parrelax!

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Re: How many shots
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2017, 08:27:38 PM »
Badass, and congratulations! Still learning myself. Please KIT.
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