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BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« on: October 26, 2015, 05:46:41 AM »
For the record, rings are size stated by inside diameter, then cross section, the outer diameter is presumed, just add the ID to the CS x 2, so 6 x 2 rings have an OD of 10.

Valve seals (clear) are PU90 standard size #007.
The originals are cast urethane, which are really hard to get, but I use the millable gum type, and haven't had any issues.
Update: The rear valve seal, the one in the valve seat that the pin goes through is also a #007 PU90. The part of the seat in the center with the hole the pin goes through is a rivet. It's a short piece of steel tube driven in with a punch so that it forms a flare on the inside where the seal is, to hold the seal in. It can be driven back out with a punch, then the seal in the groove can be easily replaced, and the rivet either reinstalled, or replaced with an appropriate sized piece of steel tube. Otherwise, if that one leaks, you have to replace the whole seat, and those are very hard to come by. I have done this repair, and so has Ray, he was very happy with this, since he repaired them for a living, and again, seats are hard to come by, and he knows how to use a pin punch.

Now for the black rings, these are Buna BN70

The big rings originally called for 10.5 x 1.5, but those felt too loose to me, I use 10 x 2 rings, they are tight, and seal better, and at least that's a common enough size.

The small black rings are 6 x 2.

So BN70 10 x 2 and 6 x 2
PU90 #007

Here are some links

10 x 2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25x-o-ring-idxcross-mm-10-x-2-NBR70ShA-DIN-3770-/280334541644?hash=item41453da34c:m:mfjinjl3I9nrhe263aiU0jA

http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=368_12_11&products_id=1978
6 x 2
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metric-Buna-O-rings-6-x-2mm-Price-for-50-pcs-/160787364976?hash=item256fac7c70:m:myNYujq6ouKvVTwPOOFfzCA
http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=368_12_11&products_id=7386

Valve seals
http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=367_1322_1327&products_id=27548
« Last Edit: August 03, 2017, 05:20:29 AM by DU-BB »
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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 06:15:55 PM »
Hi i need urgent help.
I need the black o rings that come in 6 pieces in the service kit

I need them for the co2 12 gr x 3 adapter because co2 is leaking so i need new o rings and i have use up all my six o rings that come with the service kit :sad:

So is the right dimension 6 x 2mm for to o rings in the service kit?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metric-Buna-O-rings-6-x-2mm-Price-for-50-pcs-/160787364976?hash=item256fac7c70:m:myNYujq6ouKvVTwPOOFfzCA

Or is maybe 6 x 2,5mm better way to go?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metric-Buna-O-rings-6-x-2-5mm-Price-for-50-pcs/200767977821?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D34493%26meid%3Dda7d67353fce44499ad33ba34f72e543%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D160787364976

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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2015, 01:21:32 PM »
Hello Swed. Welcome.

I have not measured the CO2 adapter's o-rings, but that is all you need to do. Pull the old one and measure it. DU-BB is our expert here on seals. You should be able to find what you need from the links in DU-BB's first post below.

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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2016, 11:29:41 AM »
I found a source for cast 007 o-rings. I ordered a batch to see how they do.
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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2016, 11:30:55 PM »
Hi everyone, new guy here. Sealing is my business, i handle o-rings everyday and stock thuosands of them in different durometer and elastomers. Can help clear up any questions and procure the right sizes.

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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2016, 11:36:45 PM »
And buna is about the least durable elastomer out there.  Viton in the same durometer of 70 or 75 is always going to outlast buna. Same price too, maybe a couple cents more from my wholesalers.

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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2016, 05:18:36 PM »
That's fantastic! Welcome. Glad to have you.
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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2016, 10:58:48 PM »
Thanks Mason. Can't wait to send you my birds.

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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2016, 05:44:37 AM »
Hi everyone, new guy here. Sealing is my business, i handle o-rings everyday and stock thuosands of them in different durometer and elastomers. Can help clear up any questions and procure the right sizes.
Well maybe you should step up to the plate and put together a reasonable replica of the extra seal pack that came with the Drozd when it was new. They only included the 3 main seals, how about 6, 10x2's, 4, 2x6's, both Bn70, and 2 007's, PU90, those valve seals.

Since you are an expert, here is the only little tiny issue: Most PU90 rings are the millable gum type, and not cast urethane. The original seals are cast urethane, the only difference between millable gum, and cast urethane, is one of cost, cast costs a lot more, and they are identical for all intents and purposes, EXCEPT THAT millable gum should not be used with Co2. This means that the much more expensive cast urethane rings are much harder to come by, since very few applications involve Co2, but ours, however, is one of them. In fact, though, I have always just replaced them with the millable gum type, and I have never had any problems with them. HOWEVER, I don't actually shoot Co2 very often, and they do turn more opaque, and seem to get a little bit more brittle, or get harder, after a while. Again, that's never really caused one to fail on me, though. I do put new ones in whenever I get into the valve head for anything, though, just because I can.
Most of us never bother with Co2, so it wouldn't make any difference to us, but technically speaking, if someone does use Co2, the millable gum seals aren't rated for that at all, they are supposed to be cast urethane.
Now if you are an expert on O-rings, you should know what I am talking about, and if you don't, you probably should read what the manufacturers have to say about the difference between millable gum and cast urethane is. If you want to take your original cast urethane valve seal out, and compare it to one of the millable gum type in your own inventory, you'll see that the cast one is more translucent, and it's a dark brown color, and the millable gum one will be more opaque, and a sort of yellowish green sort of color. They are completely different, as you'll see. If you have to include millable gum rings, you might want to include an advisory against using Co2. It probably won't ever make any difference, mine have never failed, but it never hurts to cya. And like I siad, most of us shoot HPA, anyway.
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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 10:18:59 PM »
IT'S ALIVE! Anybody ever try Viton? I know it's not rated that low for temp, but the recent factory seals I am seeing are really rough, and leak. You use air like I do, and that becomes a factor.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2017, 02:51:32 PM »
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Re: BlackBird O-Ring Sizes
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2018, 08:18:33 AM »
I just tried changing seals on a new mag stem and inlet block. Those 10x2's just don't want to squeeze in there at all! They are still the best choice for the inlet seal, and I dunno, it just might be this particular stem and block. The original size should be 10.5x1.5, which is a ridiculous size to try to replace. I don't know what they were thinking, aside from reaming us for spare parts. But if that were the case, you'd think they would make them more available than they ever did, wouldn't you?
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